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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a wordpress man Batrolo, but I have used a couple of em&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a wordpress man Batrolo, but I have used a couple of em&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: forex account</title>
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		<dc:creator>forex account</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, what cms do you use in your blog ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, what cms do you use in your blog ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom of Cobalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom of Cobalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s an interesting question. I do think one can support the sport without being immoral because they fear for the safety of those that are involved in it. Because you do worry about your players- when they get smashed up really bad and carried off the field, I hope they are back next week and don&#039;t suffer any permanent injury.

Similarly, I support the armed forces of this country. Granted, not every action they take has always been honorable, but for the most part, I support the men and women who make it their job to protect this country, even when I find their job morally objectionable.
I have a few friends and relatives who serve in the military- my Uncle was a Surgeon for the Army and ran hospitals in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He is a hero- he put kids back together who otherwise would have lost an arm or worse. 
But I worried for his safety every day, and I had the power to magically bring him home, I would have. He loved it- he was so fulfilled, even in the midst of that risk.

I think there is a level of care for our athletes, but I don&#039;t think we can pretend that their safety is our first priority. There is certainly an assumed risk to entering the sport, but I do think that we as fans do not want to see the players injured (at least in football)- we want to see amazing plays and a well played game. That&#039;s why it&#039;s what we talk about, &#039;cause that&#039;s what we love most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s an interesting question. I do think one can support the sport without being immoral because they fear for the safety of those that are involved in it. Because you do worry about your players- when they get smashed up really bad and carried off the field, I hope they are back next week and don&#8217;t suffer any permanent injury.</p>
<p>Similarly, I support the armed forces of this country. Granted, not every action they take has always been honorable, but for the most part, I support the men and women who make it their job to protect this country, even when I find their job morally objectionable.<br />
I have a few friends and relatives who serve in the military- my Uncle was a Surgeon for the Army and ran hospitals in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He is a hero- he put kids back together who otherwise would have lost an arm or worse.<br />
But I worried for his safety every day, and I had the power to magically bring him home, I would have. He loved it- he was so fulfilled, even in the midst of that risk.</p>
<p>I think there is a level of care for our athletes, but I don&#8217;t think we can pretend that their safety is our first priority. There is certainly an assumed risk to entering the sport, but I do think that we as fans do not want to see the players injured (at least in football)- we want to see amazing plays and a well played game. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s what we talk about, &#8217;cause that&#8217;s what we love most.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Brazeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Brazeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benz! Been too long buddy.  

Thanks for your perspective on this. You have certainly been on the receiving end of your share of hits. I know no greater lover of rugby, and what you said gets back to an important point that Charles made and that I have heard a lot since writing this post.  How many of the people who sustain injuries in these sports would have gotten the same injuries doing it for the love of the game? There are a lot of us who played sports for free.  

Take care of your head and we will talk more soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benz! Been too long buddy.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your perspective on this. You have certainly been on the receiving end of your share of hits. I know no greater lover of rugby, and what you said gets back to an important point that Charles made and that I have heard a lot since writing this post.  How many of the people who sustain injuries in these sports would have gotten the same injuries doing it for the love of the game? There are a lot of us who played sports for free.  </p>
<p>Take care of your head and we will talk more soon.</p>
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		<title>By: CBenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lost track of the number of concussions I&#039;ve had from rugby, hockey, and just hard living. They culminated in a pretty bad brain injury this year. (Concussions are cumulative, and get easier to sustain over time.) Of all these concussions, there are only a few injuries I would trade back. When I forget an appointment or I screw up at work,  I have to wonder what to chalk up to personal weakness and what to forgive because of scar tissue in my brain. After these lapses I imagine what I would say to a younger me. Not once, even in fantasy, have I told him to quit sports.

Facing pressure on a regular basis taught me a lot about attitude, and swallowing fear, and when my friends got injured, I had to learn how to cope with guilt. I can&#039;t imagine my life without rugby, and I know half-paralyzed old men who say the same. 

But the benefits of a sport are germane to your subject--the point is, I&#039;m glad the opportunity to play was there, and I welcomed people who enjoyed watching it.

However, I have other career options. If you are a football fan, a lot of kids who only see one escape route from a bad neighborhood are going to bang their heads together for your amusement. A lot are going to bang their heads together just for a shot at amusing you, and they will fail. 

At some point, it&#039;s important to support people in the risks they take. Whether it&#039;s right to create a market that encourages desperate people to take those health risks is something I&#039;m not prepared to weigh in on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lost track of the number of concussions I&#8217;ve had from rugby, hockey, and just hard living. They culminated in a pretty bad brain injury this year. (Concussions are cumulative, and get easier to sustain over time.) Of all these concussions, there are only a few injuries I would trade back. When I forget an appointment or I screw up at work,  I have to wonder what to chalk up to personal weakness and what to forgive because of scar tissue in my brain. After these lapses I imagine what I would say to a younger me. Not once, even in fantasy, have I told him to quit sports.</p>
<p>Facing pressure on a regular basis taught me a lot about attitude, and swallowing fear, and when my friends got injured, I had to learn how to cope with guilt. I can&#8217;t imagine my life without rugby, and I know half-paralyzed old men who say the same. </p>
<p>But the benefits of a sport are germane to your subject&#8211;the point is, I&#8217;m glad the opportunity to play was there, and I welcomed people who enjoyed watching it.</p>
<p>However, I have other career options. If you are a football fan, a lot of kids who only see one escape route from a bad neighborhood are going to bang their heads together for your amusement. A lot are going to bang their heads together just for a shot at amusing you, and they will fail. </p>
<p>At some point, it&#8217;s important to support people in the risks they take. Whether it&#8217;s right to create a market that encourages desperate people to take those health risks is something I&#8217;m not prepared to weigh in on.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesHo</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlesHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, I think the extremes you point out are covered by my general understanding that the sport coincide with the law.  A fight with death as the intent is against every civil code we have anywhere in the country, so I don&#039;t think we have that to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, I think the extremes you point out are covered by my general understanding that the sport coincide with the law.  A fight with death as the intent is against every civil code we have anywhere in the country, so I don&#8217;t think we have that to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Brazeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Brazeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t spiked a boxers drink since I quit the mafia a year ago.  

This is a good point.  A lot of fighters, and footballers never make any money and never see that as the goal.  Sport can be an end in itself.  What concerns me is where we draw the line?  What is it civil for a person to pay to watch.  In this country we don&#039;t generally accept any number of forms of competition as lawful.  Dog fighting is in the news a lot, but in many states it is still illegal to do MMA.  If athletes volunteered to do it would it be ok to reinstate the gladiators (Roman not American)?  What about Russian Roulett.  

I&#039;m not saying that these things are the same as football.  I&#039;m just worried that the arguement &quot;they walk into the arena knowing the risks as well as the rewards and they accept them both,&quot; opens the door to some things I wouldn&#039;t want to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t spiked a boxers drink since I quit the mafia a year ago.  </p>
<p>This is a good point.  A lot of fighters, and footballers never make any money and never see that as the goal.  Sport can be an end in itself.  What concerns me is where we draw the line?  What is it civil for a person to pay to watch.  In this country we don&#8217;t generally accept any number of forms of competition as lawful.  Dog fighting is in the news a lot, but in many states it is still illegal to do MMA.  If athletes volunteered to do it would it be ok to reinstate the gladiators (Roman not American)?  What about Russian Roulett.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that these things are the same as football.  I&#8217;m just worried that the arguement &#8220;they walk into the arena knowing the risks as well as the rewards and they accept them both,&#8221; opens the door to some things I wouldn&#8217;t want to see.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlesHo</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlesHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the fan has any responsibility to the athletes.  While today, many folks aspire to the games because of the money/fame, that was not always the case.  I&#039;d listen to my grandfather tell me about growing up in the thirties and being a caddy for a one of the players for the Cardinals and those guys did not make the same kind of sustainable income from the game.  They had a &quot;real job&quot; as well as the game.  They played for the love of it.

Ultimately I think even if the motivation of the player is money or fame, they walk into the arena knowing the risks as well as the rewards and they accept them both.  While injury or possibly even death could ensue, unless you as a fan are paying specifically hoping for one of those things, I don&#039;t see how you could take away any responsibility should something go wrong.  Unless of course, you spiked a boxer&#039;s water with a rufi or something. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the fan has any responsibility to the athletes.  While today, many folks aspire to the games because of the money/fame, that was not always the case.  I&#8217;d listen to my grandfather tell me about growing up in the thirties and being a caddy for a one of the players for the Cardinals and those guys did not make the same kind of sustainable income from the game.  They had a &#8220;real job&#8221; as well as the game.  They played for the love of it.</p>
<p>Ultimately I think even if the motivation of the player is money or fame, they walk into the arena knowing the risks as well as the rewards and they accept them both.  While injury or possibly even death could ensue, unless you as a fan are paying specifically hoping for one of those things, I don&#8217;t see how you could take away any responsibility should something go wrong.  Unless of course, you spiked a boxer&#8217;s water with a rufi or something. ;)</p>
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